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DOJ: No Criminal Charges against IRS’s Lois Lerner

Posted by robgambrill 9 years, 6 months ago to Politics
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Nobody is going to be held accountable. From the article...

:“Our investigation uncovered substantial evidence of mismanagement, poor judgment and institutional inertia, leading to the belief by many tax-exempt applicants that the IRS targeted them based on their political viewpoints ... But poor management is not a crime..."


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  • Posted by sfdi1947 9 years, 6 months ago
    Nothings new, that's Democratic Progressive Policy/Politics, so don't hold your breath in the FBI's Hillary investigation either. I'll be very surprised if she is indicted or gets tried unless it goes to after 20 Jan. 2016.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 9 years, 6 months ago
    Poor management IS sure as Hattie's a crime when it occurs in a tax payer funded entity that is not even aligned with the country it usurps from.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Only thing I don't like is he's a Republican ergo sum a left winger. Like all of them they have to prove their innocent of being a RINO. So far all of them have failed.

    The requirement was worse for a Democrat for htey are left wing of the left wing. One passed but it took a Marine to do it. The rest are just dross and only supporters of left wing socialist fascism would give them any time no matter what the weak ass excuse.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The problem isn't that they won't talk the talk, it's that they won't walk the walk. Boehner wouldn't. Neither will Ryan. And neither will Trump, should he win.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As far as I'm concerned Carson has already totally disqualified himself by saying he'll escalate the war on drugs. That's a deal-killer regardless of anything else he says or does.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, most of them were not granted tax exempt status, and in fact the agency continues its discrimination against the Right.

    As far as the organizations claiming they were not primarily political, that is not true, nor is it necessary. A huge number of political organizations, including NAACP and ACLU, are 501(c)3 certified.

    jabuttrick's statement that it was hardly criminal is insupportable. It is grossly criminal. And Congress itself should have Lerner locked up for contempt right now.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You have brought up some very interesting points.

    Correct me if I am wrong, but were not all those groups ultimately granted tax exempt status? Was not the policy, after public scrutiny, changed so that all applicants were just given the status without investigation.

    What I believed happened, is that the administration's policy shifted from one of "crime prevention" to leaving it up to law enforcement as it should have been in the first place.

    Crime prevention is a slippery slope, "You can't buy a gun because you might shoot someone, You can't talk privately on the telephone because you might be plotting something illegal...". It sure looks like the civil rights of those groups were abused, by those in political power.

    I'll grant you it isn't the first time it ever happened.

    I find it hard to believe that the IRS officials, if they thought they were doing a good job, never bragged about it to their superiors. If it wasn't instigated from higher up, it would appear to have been condoned. Maybe they decided to do this and not tell the boss about it, I can't figure out why they would though?
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 6 months ago
    The entire government needs a house cleaning and reduction in size and power, or the corruption will simply continue.
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 9 years, 6 months ago
    Anyone that expects competence and integrity from politicians and political appointees is living on an alien planet. Incompetence is not only not a crime it is a job requirement in the world of liberal-progressives where it is "pull" that gets the job done.
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  • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nixon was the first IRS misuser to come to mind. I didn't know you wanted an exhaustive list. The Lerner affair is the only IRS scandal you cite from the last 40+ years. We both need to do more research. Of course there is a difference between the two instances we cite: There is no doubt Nixon knew and directed the misuse of the IRS for partisan political reasons. It is far from clear that Obama knew what was going on in the Cincinnatti IRS office in the screening of these purportedly non-political tax exempt organizations.
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  • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    They have two hurdles to get over. First, Lerner and her cronies will assert immunity as government employees. Second, the defendants will argue that the plaintiffs were not entitled to tax exempt status in any event since they were not principally educational but were in fact political under the oddly worded applicable rules. I do not predict an easy road for the plaintiffs.
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  • Posted by llsloane 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So, out of all of the Republicans that have been in office for the last 50 years, Nixon is the example. Out of all of the Democrats that have been in office, who is the example? Hmmm, Bill Clinton with his extra-marital affairs, Hillary with her personal server and failure to protect our people, Lerner with the IRS scandal, the VAs mis-handling of patients, Obama's foreign policy failures. Do you see a pattern? 1 incident 40+ years ago versus current affairs.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thank you, jabuttrick. This is the sort of clarification I was hoping for. So, 'poor judgement' is not a crime, but each of the organizations that was not granted timely tax-exempt status could sue her in civil court?

    Jan
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  • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If poor management were a crime we would not have enough prisons to hold all the inmates from government and private entities.
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  • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The organizations at issue were claiming that they were not primarily political as they sought tax free status. If that was a lie, as you imply and the IRS suspected, then the IRS operatives certainly were not acting criminally in trying to expose that fact. The means that they used to "target" those groups was pretty ridiculous (trying to prioritize by looking at the names of the groups) and represented gross incompetence, but it was hardly criminal.
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  • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Malpractice suits are not crimes. They are civil proceedings. Somebody in the IRS, probably Lerner and some of her underlings, should be fired over this since sorting applications by the name of the organization seeking non-profit status was an almost childishly incompetent way to do the jobs they were assigned but it was hardly criminal.
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  • Posted by nelly1611 9 years, 6 months ago
    Here's what I think-------Lois Lerner, Barrack Obama, Hilary Clinton and probably a lot more should all be FIRED. If we did anything, especially on our job they boot us right out the door. No questions asked!Now they bring up Lois Lerner in face of the Primaries going on. It is just one coverup after another.
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  • Posted by nelly1611 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am sure that Trump has something up his sleeve already. When was the last time anyone in our government has told any truth to anything. Everybody lies. Now people don't like Trump because he tells the truth.
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  • Posted by llsloane 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think that is the problem with most of the Republican politicians. They are so afraid of saying something that is not "politically correct" that they are being too silent. Donald Trump doesn't care about being PC. The Republican voters like that. By the way, have you noticed? Nothing that the Left says is ever politically incorrect? Even Hillary calling half of the country her enemies.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I say yes, if the alternative is to fight with one foot in a bucket of cement.
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