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Should parents be forced to vaccinate children before they can attend school?

Posted by richrobinson 9 years ago to The Gulch: General
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I saw an excellent presentation last night on the risks of vaccination and health problems including autism. Most States currently require vaccinations in order to attend public schools. The argument being if parents don't vaccinate their kids then other kids are at risk. The problem appears to be the number of vaccines being given at the same time and at a very young age. The speaker made it clear that she was not anti-vaccine but wanted all parents to be able to make informed decisions. I don't have kids so I was never faced with this decision. It would seem logical to allow parents to opt out of many of these vaccines if they wanted. It is possible to get exemptions but it seems the State is making it harder and harder to do that.

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  • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years, 12 months ago
    Please understand that there are drafted mandatory vaccine schedules that WILL be forced on all adults in the US. This is in the works. This isn't just about "other people's kids". The current fights like SB277 in California are just the camel slipping his nose under the tent. They're going to get you, folks. Want your Social Security, to fly on an airplane, to have a job, to drive a car? Well, we need to ensure that you too are making sufficient sacrifices to ensure "herd immunity".

    You heard it here first...most likely. Remember that.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Very good point. Eventually, they will target all children, then all adults.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No studies of the current schedule. None. Yes. Incredible. These studies need to be done...by those not attached to the manufacturers of vaccines, funded by non-pharma money. Until that happens nobody will ever get away with forcing me to consume any pharmaceutical - ever.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    ...But in nowhere near the quantity we are seeing now. 1980 to today I have calculated a 13,000% increase in the incidences of autism. What has changed since 1980? There's a good chance the link will be in there. And, a few different things have changed - vaccines being just one of them.

    This is a mystery that's challenge is eclipsed only by emotion of those on both sides. I came to it looking only at data, taking hair and blood samples, etc. It was very enlightening, and resulted in information the mainstream media STILL refuses to report a decade later. Very, very interesting...
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nobody has yet to explain away the correlation. I was in, a study (firsthand) that tried like hell to find another correlation so great (let alone a cause). It failed to do so, was sealed and shelved.
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  • Posted by khalling 8 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    no proven link. I think studies should continue using correlation as a hypothesis. but as I said before, autism before the vaccine was administered to children, still presented in the same age time frames.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'd be curious to see if he says there's no correlation. It would be an interesting conversation, certainly.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 8 years, 12 months ago
    I have read the argument that if someone else's
    child hasn't been vaccinated, you should not com-
    plain; if you think that child may be carrying the
    disease, you are the one who should have gotten
    yours vaccinated. The counter-argument to that
    seems to be that a child who has not been vac-
    cinated, and yet is not obviously contagious
    could be going around carrying the germs, but
    not yet showing any symptoms.--But then,
    still, if yours is vaccinated, he should not
    get infected. I admit that I don't yet have the
    whole think figured out.
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  • Posted by khalling 8 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    ALOT more than my kids. the most annoying vaccines my kids got -this series of Hin-tighter (tiders) whatever-a series that was given every 6-8 months then every year. you miss one shot-you start it all over. I always wondered if that was scam
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  • Posted by richrobinson 8 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I would still be concerned with how many injections are given in a short period of time. Tough decisions...
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  • Posted by khalling 8 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'd like to see a link to this. Question. Why could it not be a coincidence that MMR is administered during the time autism presents itself in children? after all, autism existed before MMR vaccines and presented itself during the same time frames. For instance, a genetic defect that presents when the brain develops to a certain point or latent genetic defect that triggers if the child get a certain virus? there are many scenarios
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  • Posted by khalling 8 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm not sure. He was just examining the studies for autism links. Frankly, there just isn't enough known about autism. and, also frankly, you don't want to get measles or mumps or rubella :) too many complications
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  • Posted by khalling 8 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think this is a tough call. It could be handled in civil court, I suppose. But with measles on the rise again (almost completely eradicated during my lifetime) as well as tuberculosis (we no longer vaccinate for that or polio) think about the risk to young children and babies. OTOH, vaccinating against chicken pox means a higher likelihood of Shingles in later life. A much more dibilitating condition lasting for months with high recurrance.
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  • Posted by khalling 8 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Dale's brother is a microbiologist/geneticist/pathologist running his own genetics lab at Mayo. He has looked extensively into the studies and concurs that there is no proven link with the MMR vaccine and autism. One of the reasons a correlation was even drawn, has to do with when autism tends to present symptoms-roughly 2-3 years of age. This is during the time MMR series are administered to children.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree a unilateral executive branch should not make this decision. Typically the objective is to wipe out certain diseases, but a well meaning zealot could add stomach flu et al to the list without thinking it through. Since thus is not an educational issue, but much broader, it needs more review and approval than an administrator or little board.
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  • Posted by richrobinson 8 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes. Unfortunately many parents aren't prepared to be parents and are all too happy to relinquish decision making to anyone else.
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