Democracies end when they are too democratic.

Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 11 months ago to Philosophy
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This is a brilliant article, but all this talk of "democracy" makes me sick to my stomach; mob rule, lack of any sort of rational moral base and lets not forget...anything goes!

I think Rand Herself, was no fan - any comments on that?

Here is a great excerpt:

In Eric Hoffer’s classic 1951 tract, The True Believer, he sketches the dynamics of a genuine mass movement. He was thinking of the upheavals in Europe in the first half of the century, but the book remains sobering, especially now. Hoffer’s core insight was to locate the source of all truly mass movements in a collective sense of acute frustration. Not despair, or revolt, or resignation — but frustration simmering with rage. Mass movements, he notes (as did Tocqueville centuries before him), rarely arise when oppression or misery is at its worst (say, 2009); they tend to appear when the worst is behind us but the future seems not so much better (say, 2016). It is when a recovery finally gathers speed and some improvement is tangible but not yet widespread that the anger begins to rise. After the suffering of recession or unemployment, and despite hard work with stagnant or dwindling pay, the future stretches ahead with relief just out of reach. When those who helped create the last recession face no consequences but renewed fabulous wealth, the anger reaches a crescendo.


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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Between attacks by trump and sanders the GOP and democrats may just have lost their hold on the elections. They both have been shown now to be crooked
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Rigged, as usual, just like the justice system.
    Allowing your adversary to judge a disagreement with government is insane. So is allowing statist political parties to set rules that eliminate their competition. Winner take all (electoral votes) election is another travesy against liberty.
    F%^k the GOP! Looting for 156 years. (Ditto the dems.)
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  • Posted by melissa97 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    +1 for the game of thrones reference =)
    And it definitely seems right now as if there is no way out. We are being forced to choose between the lesser of two evils.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Agreed. Or at least a Constitutionalist can get him more on track of what it means. Hillery and Sanders will tell a Constitutionalist what it means and that interpretation could change on any given day of the week, depending on how they feel at the time, which means the Constitution would be moot.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Already nixed by the repubs, so 0% chance now. I saw sanders today on a talk show and all he wanted to do was personally attack trump. He should be going after Hillary at this point I would think. She is the one who will push him into obscurity next week. And the "rules" of debates have decided Johnson would need 15% "popularity" to be included in a debate
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Good idea, term2. Probably too good to happen. The demreps don't share the stage with anyone, and if forced upon them they rig the questions via the corrupt media. If it was done early in the campaign, it counld be more likely (still <10% chance;^), imo.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Fully understood, OUC, for sure. I love history and my mind gets captured whenever I see something I'm not familiar with. Agreed, that his historical viewpoint has some lessons to learn, but though I think he knows some history, he misses the boat on some of the lessons. I would tell my children as they were growing up that "Freedom without responsibility is freedom corrupted and soon lost" (I'll let you borrow the car while you're working to buy your own, son, now don't f**k it up). The "unaccountable freedom" in the democracy the author paints is freedom corrupted (I'll give you a car, son, have fun and do whatever you want).

    At this point I see Trump as the only candidate that has a chance of occupying the White House that MIGHT bring some responsibility and accountability to government. Clinton and Sanders have zero responsibility and Johnson has zero chance of being POTUS.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hildebeast is bought and paid for by the rich establishment for THEIR benefit, at OUR expense.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think the founding fathers wondered how long the republic would last as a republic.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am happy that you see through the "manipulation" we are all subjected to. They don't give Hillary equal treatment at all. Not that Trump is perfect by any means, but I do think Hillary is worse.

    I wanted a debate between Sanders, Johnson, and Trump (forget Hillary on that- who wants to listen to her evasions and lies anyway). I thought that kind of debate would bring out the real differences between the candidates for a change.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 11 months ago
    Just another Trump hating article. I am so tired of this stuff. They just want crooked Hillary with all that entails for the wall street establishment at our expense (remember the bailouts.....)
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I was more enamored by the history of too much unaccountable freedom...didn't pay much mind to the political assessment you picked up on.

    I wouldn't throw out the value in his historical view point though...that's what attracted me.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 8 years, 11 months ago
    A screed. Left wing extremist screed. Contains just enough cherry picked history and fiction to veil the fact it is a propaganda hit piece. The author is very good at pressing the appropriate emotional buttons and spewing innuendo to get the reader to despise Trump and vote for Clinton. The "bury 'em in BS" tactic is what makes this article a true screed.

    Just using the quoted paragraph above, the author does NOT want the reader to make any kind of connection that "The True Believer" is what put Obama in office twice and may put Clinton in office in 2016. Will anyone say Sanders supporters are not "True Believers"? Additionally, when the author says "When those who helped create the last recession face no consequences ..." I doubt very much if he is referring to the government meddling in the mortgage industry is what actually created the mess. I doubt if Bill Clinton, Barney Frank, or Chris Dodd, et al, will face anything for what they've done.

    I found the article a very long and boring enumeration of the left's usual talking points and name calling. The only difference here is the author was able to pull up some unique appeal to authority references in an attempt to give the screed some veneer of respectability.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yea...would he turn on someone he's already slept with if it was good for him? Politically speaking.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Whos's to say...iron out the bugs as we go...have to lay out the rules and a wish list.
    I understand what your sayin...the left has done this on Our dime and Our time...I'd love to reverse the flavor...(yes, I said flavor)
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  • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Trump SAYS he wants to trash the status quo. I don't believe he'll even try.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    One major difference is that it would be a sacrifice to put such a time investment in for a reward that would take longer than our lifetimes. That would not be Objectivist.
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