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  • Posted by Bar-Nasha 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thank you for your message, I think that ObjectivistAnalyst gave a good answer. What you think?
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  • Posted by Bar-Nasha 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks for your answer, it's good. You're giving the Constitutional answer to the question. But, We the people don't know who got the majority of votes since the Electoral College is going to make a decision and we've seen cases when the Electoral College choes the loser. I think that the Constitution was wise in the 19th Century but, is it the same in 2016?
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Greetings Bar-Nasha,
    The thinking was that it would help avoid the "Tyranny of the Majority". This along with many other things set forth by our founders was in direct response to their strong aversion to pure Democracies. That is why we were founded as a Constitutional Republic. The progressives and collectivists like to tell us every chance they can about our "Democracy"... they are wrong and deserve our derision. The Constitution never mentions Democracy but guarantees us a Republican form of government with supposed statesmen, learned enough to help the masses avoid populist movements that would undermine four founding fundamental principles.
    Many still question the utility and necessity of the Electoral college.
    Respectfully,
    O.A.
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  • Posted by Bar-Nasha 8 years, 7 months ago
    Question: What would be the problem with an straight vote and the results by the number of votes, managed by a computer, period?
    Why do we need so many people involved?
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  • Posted by herk7769 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I would think it would require a lot more than one or two willing to violate their state's election laws.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In a very close election a third party candidate could throw the election into the House without winning every state. All it would take is a rogue elector or two.
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  • Posted by herk7769 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I doubt it will happen this time unless the Green Party or the Libertarian Party actually WIN some states. It has been many decades since a 3rd party even won one state.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Repeating he can't afford to declare martial law he would be the first one arrested, clapped in irons and jailed. Giving that power to the military whose only oath is to the Constitution and not another man, beast or clod of dirt would bring his worst fears to fruition. The military from his viewpoint is the biggest danger this government faces. Why hand them the legal keys to the kingdom.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Price paid for accepting Votes rather than Presidential Caliber. another reason not to support Clinton. The whole lashup is strictly fifth rate and belong to a foreign and failed philosophy which has no reason to liive anywhere much less here.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Winning doesn't 'count on the 8th. Nor does it provide protection until the noon on the 20th of January. . Prior to that the VP candidate would step up to be sworn in. Then we are in real trouble.

    What does change on the 8th is the Secret Service Detail goes full bore. An arrest warrant would not be hard to serve. She's surrounded by handcuffs.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think they are called candidates. A word which provides both a perfect description but is also gender neutral. As for person..per SON Is there a per daughter? ha ha Striking a blow against left wing PC sexist terminology where ever found

    Keep up the good work and a great comment I'd give you a real + if I could
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  • Posted by herk7769 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The "Strange Bedfellows" rule of politics makes possible a President and Vice President from the same party who HATE each other. JFK and LBJ come immediately to mind. If JFK had not been assassinated, LBJ would have been indicted by Robert Kennedy for racketeering. Once he became President, all charges against him were dropped.
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  • Posted by herk7769 8 years, 7 months ago
    This has happened before. In a 4 person race, Andrew Jackson won the popular vote by a large margin, well above the number two candidate John Quincy Adams. Andrew Jackson also won the most Electoral votes beating the second place finisher, John Quincy Adams; BUT Andrew Jackson FAILED to garner more than 50% of the total cast Electoral ballots.

    The election went to the House of representatives to pick the winner. Since the Speaker hated Andrew Jackson, an "outsider", he picked John Quincy Adams as the President.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The RInos and DInos outvoted the Constitutional Republicans 85 to 15 in the last Cave In on Dec 31st. But personally I don't care if they cease to exist and the National Socialist Democrat Labor party along with them. It's still a one party system and the RINOS will bark on command.
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  • Posted by richrobinson 8 years, 7 months ago
    Excellent question. With the Republicans in control of Congress Trump should be the winner. There are enough RINO Rublicans and anti- Trump Republicans however to make it interesting. My guess is the Republicans will finally come together and Trump would prevail.
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  • Posted by fivedollargold 8 years, 7 months ago
    Injustice Roberts will create a way for Ovomit to get a third term, the House be damned.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Might as well go public since tomorrow will tell the tale. There is a rule in our group that covers complete cut and paste of material from othere sources. It's not banned per se and the descriptive wording led me to believe, especiallyas I received no direct comments or complaints or requests, that giveing full credit to the other sites http://townhall.com and their group and to the article writers was sufficient. Apparently some outfit that monitors this sort of thing filed a complaint with the operators of Galt's Gulch (the people that make it all possible) and the shut down was immediate. Four days later I received a letter of explanation. Reviewed it, complied and so stated but that was after deciding if it was a free speech issue I'd bail before giving in. It maybe a free speech issue but it was nothing to do with GG production and everything to do with how the internet is being run by whomever. Therefore you noticed you have to push the switch as I can still post, I cannot vote up or down therefore the plusses and minuses nor can I delete until this is resolved. the line you read is somewhat peculiar and leads people in the worong direction as with 19,000 plus I'm hardly ignorable or ignored. So a letter went out on private which was not blocked and then of course it's the weekend which means wow Nothing can be done until Tuesday!

    In the meantime the following is a portion of and is in line with the rules of the gulch. Clinton continues to fade and Trump continues to gain Johnson is staqnant. ten look at the second part.

    President

    Election 2016 Clinton Trump Spread
    RCP Poll Average 46.0 42.1 Clinton +3.9
    4-Way RCP Average 41.3 37.9 Clinton +3.4

    as compared to yesterdays which had her at one point with only 1.3

    In electoral leads by 75 at present.

    Trump leads in 18 States up three form yesterday

    The one's showing Clinton with a +8 or so are Polls not national averages

    Polls with 3 or less for Clinton 29.

    There is no information on the criteria for being polled nor if the responder was citizen or not, a voter or not other than saying so . In that respect they are all skewed unless the polls are just not giving away trade secrets.

    As of midnight eastern Clinton is in a slide trump is building steadily

    Electoral College Clinton Trump Spread
    RCP Electoral Map 229 154 Clinton +75

    What I really need is the spread state by state. and the responder criteria the above are all the Real Clear people who are a compiler of all the polls I didn't count the total but it's easily over a hundred.

    Still most of the polls except for a few that are blatantly slanted show much the same conclusion and most are trying to explain it away AKA spin.



    Also some of the reports in other sources such as WSJ clearly state the sourc an RC seems to head the pack.

    270towin has it 42 Trump 46 Clinton 12 other. 16 states for trump and 11 at five or less separation. They do have a difficult to rapidly lead state page.


    CNN's latest Poll of Polls finds Hillary Clinton's lead over Donald Trump has been cut in half, with her post-convention bump wilting in the late-summer heat.
    Clinton holds an average of 42% support to Trump's 37% across five nationwide telephone polls conducted between August 9 and 30.

    Reuters IPSOS

    Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump has pulled into an effective tie with Democratic rival Hillary Clinton, erasing a substantial deficit as he consolidated support among his party’s \likely voters in recent weeks, according to the latest Reuters/Ipsos national tracking poll released Friday.

    The poll showed 40 percent of likely voters supporting Trump and 39 percent backing Clinton for the week of Aug. 26 to Sept. 1. Clinton's support has dropped steadily in the weekly tracking poll since Aug. 25, eliminating what had been a eight-point lead for her.


    That should give you a start point and some explanations it's all in what they can do in the 8 1/2 weeks for sure two things will happen.

    You TV Addicts will get your channels back is one.

    Until then it's Snowflake the Shrinking Violet vs Wonder (what he's going to pull next! )
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    Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's big time passing the buck instead be honest and the Congress asks in advance for the Supreme court to do their job for them. No good choices but the one we have now is fatally flawed and none of them require any particular expertise or abilites. Given the choices offered i would take a Trump or a Gates.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Act of succession can be changed as it it not a Constitutional amendment. It has two flaws which define who voted it into power One is no requirement for the same party voted in by ha ha the people and the electoral college is not a requriement. That's a due process problem and leaves the door open wide to a rather easy coup should for example the Democrts take the House of Representatives again. President Pelosi???
    So you have one with Major votes the President one who coat tailed in on one vote, two who don't have to be of the same party Speaker and President Temporary. the translation of Pro Tempore.

    Second flaw is all the Cabinet Secretaries. Not one vote in the lot unless you count nominated by Pres and confirmed. They should be dealing with their departments at at such a time.

    In terms of votes, same party for balance of term, and experience of some sort Senators first, Governors second and Representatives third. If not doing the complete job per Constitution stick the VP in the Senate and the house anyway as an observer onlooker and then have him or her do time in the departments. Keep them busy learning what they need to know and keep them out of the way. Only way I see to stop a palace revolt no matter which party is in power and setting up a coup. Pelosi as President crap makes Clinton look acceptable.
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    Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not with the RINOs and DINO's in charge. Unless he really did join the dark side. I think he got tired of being an eight per center. None of them seem interested in growing that party and those who were gave in as we've witnessed. They seem to be prone to Cave Ins and media Avalanches. No interest in substantial growth in numbers and shun any attempts to change that. Whatever it will take will be a Jack Bauer with his own Eight Billion Dollar pistol.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    To bad he is Canadian. I used to have a Jack Bauer For President T Shirt until it wore out and replaced it with a Atlas Shrugged Now Non fiction. Time to think about that one's maybe same thing this time. The other T shirt says Schooher Or later We'll get our Ship Together.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    True. The machine voting systems was alive and well but they didn't count on JFK being a fiscal conservative nor sic-ing brother Bobby on the Luigi and Guido factions. So they took him out. Modern Day president JFK made one huge mistake at Bay of Pigs in trusting the people under him AND in not sending in the jets. But he was dead right in ordering the military out of Vietnam. The second good one was Reagan. The rest have been mediochre to disastrous. Politicians should not be allowed to run for offices and attorneys not allowed to be in Congress nor on the Supreme Court.
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