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Altruism or Benevolence?

Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 1 month ago to Philosophy
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This is an area badly in need of clarification. So, with a little help from some perceptive minds, let's explore: There is a great confusion in the minds of most people concerning the nature of altruism or that it derives from the principle of benevolence, good will and kindness toward others.Advocates of altruism take great pains to encourage this belief--to establish a "package deal" so as to conceal from their victim the actual meaning of altruist morality .

The view that altruism and benevolence are the same is a great error. Altruism holds that man must makethe others above self. Such a view is worse than mistaken; it is a perversion entailed in the technique called "the big lie."It represents the exact opposite of the truth;altruism and benevolence are not only different, they are mutually inimical. man has no right to exist for his own sake, that service to others is the moral justification of his existence, that self-sacrifice is his foremost duty.A philosophy that tells man that he is no more than a sacrificial animal . This is not an expression of benevolence or good will.

Let us do a thought experiment, a device which served Einstein so well.:Ask yourself what your reaction would be if the person you loved were to tell you:"Don't imagine that I want to marry you out of any selfish expectation of pleasure.Don't imagine that I see anything to admire in you,or that I find your company interesting, or that I enjoy our relationship any manner whatever.In fact, I find you boring and thoughrolly unappealing.But, I wouldn't be so selfish as to seek anything personally from our marriage.Don't imagine that your thoughts or feelings are of any actual interest to me or that I do any of the things I do for you because I care for your happiness -- don't think that there's anything in it for me whether you're happy or not. I'm not an egoist, after all I'm marrying you out of pity,out of charity, as a duty I'm marrying you out of compassion for your flaws, not admiration for your virtues because I know that you need me. I'm doing it as an act of sef sacrifice"


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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Yeah, once I started working and having jobs, mostly it was all right working and being around middle-aged men (about 35+ or 40+ years old). They were pretty decent. In a plant, the rule with middle-aged men was, you do your job and they'll do theirs; you do your share of the work and they'll do theirs; and if you be fair with them, they'll be fair with you. And even the punks behaved better in the plants, usually, than in school. But I have met a few who still had that punk attitude.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh, they outgrow it - or pretend to.But every now and then you'll run into a boy or girld who never outgrew.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, I think I was logical. And it would not have to apply only to romantic love. If you love a baby, be-
    cause he is so amusing, etc., that is selfish,too. (Of
    course, if you're the parent, the kid is sort of your instrument for living on, but if you are not, if it is just your sister, or someone else's baby, that selfishness applies, too). As to the "macho-ness"
    of boys, don't I know it. The way they were so aggressive in the hallways, kicking me in the butt, or other such stuff, I couldn't stand the punks, either.--And to this day, I have no great liking for adolescent punks, and no disposition to put up with any of that macho s***.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Without (I hope) being too chauvenistic, it seems to me that I have encountered Teen girls' attitudes such as yours even My granddaughter's.It seems to be some sort of hormonal infliction that turns reality into thickly iced birthday cake.Whereas with boys, they come down with extreme cases of macho-ness brought on by excess flows of testosterone as opposed to estrogen.Plus, you cannot use the "logic" of anyone under 25 because their brains have not fully formed yet.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Let's support homeschooling, as one way to eventually get rid of public schools, and maybe be able to teach freedom again.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 7 years, 1 month ago
    When I was 15, I used to think that love was unself-
    ish devotion. (I think I had been reading too much of Erich Fromm's stuff). But I could not imagine myself
    falling in love and loving someone with a totally un-
    selfish devotion; even free of mercenary taint, there would still be the fact that I loved the person because I got some sort of pleasure in his existence, it was still self, self, self, and I believed myself incapable of love. And I thought that my parents must never have loved me, or I would have somehow "caught" it from them. And one night in the Waynesboro library, I saw books on a swap shelf (donate one and take one away and keep it), and I saw The Virtue of Self-
    ishness
    by Ayn Rand (and with a few articles by
    Nathaniel Branden). I was intrigued by the title,
    expecting cynical stuff. I leafed through it a little
    bit, and traded for it, and took it away. And, even-
    tually, Ayn Rand's philosophy straightened me out. (I have also had some remorse for the way
    I had unjustly blamed my parents--although they
    didn't repudiate altruism, either).
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  • Posted by chad 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I remember being in a conversation once with a woman who said she had read Ayn Rand but disagreed with her because why should only architects be free? When I tried to explain that wasn't the point it just went downhill from there and I walked away.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I meant that we are in such complete agreement that perhaps you've been kidnapped and a substitute poster has been put in your place . Just my twisted sense of humor.
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  • Posted by IndianaGary 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    "To us it is as plain as the fact that water is wet, but to others, it is a premise to quibble over..."

    Since most people are religious, they are used to bringing emotion to the table rather than thinking. Many people believe that they can fake reality, because, they believe that they can get away with it long enough to live out their lives and to hell with morality. What do they need morality for?
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  • Posted by Solver 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    The short video is highly compressed but it’s still clear the professor is preaching falsehoods and sedition to these impressionable young minds.
    I’d be curious to see if any critical thinking is done in the Q/A session.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Not sure what you mean. I thought your expression was spot on. I'm all in favor of voluntary beneficence. I'm not at all in favor of altruism as used by the government as an excuse for welfare, etc..
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  • Posted by 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    It is strange that the more Objectivists I have contact with express the same as you . It seems that once the layers and layers of junk which is piled on over the truth that once revealed becomes so obvious that everyone merely says "Why have I been so blind all these years?"And yet, most who read Rand don't get it. To us it is as plain as the fact that water is wet, bu to others, it is a premise to quibble over. Express any objectivist premise to a liberal and you'll get lots of "Yes, but."and after a while, you'll realize that we live in an insane world where the obvious must be denied in order to squeeze it into an untenable agenda.
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  • Posted by chad 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    When I was much younger, 50 years ago, I thought that objectivism was so obvious all you had to do was teach, explain it and others would simply hit their forehead and say; "DUH".
    You cannot use violence to make people free so a rebellion is useless. If people do not choose it they cannot be forced, that is the antithesis of objectivism. Socialism will only work with the use of violence for even those who believe in it would not choose it if others around them were not living it. They would see the obvious difference and live objectively even if they believed in collectivism. They might still try to convert others but if they could not demand it (enforce) there would be very few who would actually try to live it. For those who made that choice that would be okay for them.
    What is the alternative? Before the advent of the computerized society I had a plan I think would have worked much like Galt's Gulch. Now with the entire world being monitored except a few tribes deep in the jungle or on isolated islands in the Indian Ocean the only choice is to try to live unobserved which will become increasingly difficult as RFID chips become implanted in everything we might own (including ourselves) and tracked you won't be able to trade or sell something to another without it being tracked, monitored, approved, licensed and taxed, or forbidden. If you think of an alternative let me know.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I like Rush's definition of the military; "Their job is to kill people and break things." For those who have that ability and still agree with the basic premises of those they defend, they are a blessing and should be honored as such. If there is such a mind. It may be that is why they have trouble as civilians in some cases.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    What's the alternative? Open rebellion doesn't bode well for the individual.Enter subterfuge, until the taker of freedom is subdued.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 7 years, 1 month ago
    altruism is not benevolence...it is destruction of any values and life...altruism is anti-life...anti-freedom...anti-liberty...anti-virtue
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    During the 70s when I was a newspaper reporter in a mostly rural dry county in Alabama, "outlaw women" was a label for ladies who hooked up with losers who were in and out of jail for bootlegging, DUI, growing marijuana, burglaries, passing bad checks, cockfighting and all kinds of naughty misbehavior.
    The county jail, several stories high, was right next to the one-floor newspaper I worked for. One day an "outlaw woman" with a kid was seen pointing up at a jail window and heard saying, "Look, there's daddy at that window. See? He's a jailbird. Wave. Say "Hi, Daddy. Hi, Jailbird."
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