It would work if you want to live being someone you're not. However, I have suggested taking over the Detroit slums...fix up the insides of houses to make them comfortable and liveable and leave the outside trashy....make it a gulch in plain site...but on the other hand...yuk.

And a bit of killing, but he did do all that in plain sight, which I bet would actually work (except for the killing part)

And then in the movie AS II Ithey had SUVs with colorado license plates !!!

One can have a practical virtual gulch in plain sight, however. Using technology, one can communicate and trade with other members of the gulch, and even live in small groups of like minded people. One can be on essentially a gold standard by keeping wealth in precious metals and using the dollar as a short term trading token, but buy things with gold or a gold backed new currency.

As mentioned by someone earlier, I think Alaska would be an ideal spot. Preferably a remote location which creates the initial barrier to entry. The Gulch would be able to invite folks and fly them in, but in the event of societal collapse the distance and environment would help to isolate it from the negative effects. Plenty of room to expand and innovate. Government in the remote regions is minimally intrusive or non-existent so the Gulch would enjoy autonomy. While not perfect in every aspect, it provides a good foundation that could be molded into our desired community.

One of Robbie's good ideas was ;)S for sarcasm.

Power generation will be no problem ;)

How about giving up nothing?

Back in the 40's and 50's going Galt meant something totally different from today. One could still essentially disappear from the world and leave no trace. Even without going Galt there were people who were dropping off the radar.. But that was back in the days before Google earth, satellites, predator drones. In the world we currently live in there is no place left to hide. One could go off to the middle of nowhere and live by subsistence farming. But, for one that would mostly just suck. For another, as soon as you got good enough to actually be making it the very same looters would be there with their hands out. It seems that we should be looking for a solution that allows us to be successful. What if we didn't have to do that here?

This guy has been making the news, and if he turns out not to be a total crackpot we might have an answer.

http://www.paresspacewarpresearch.org/

Right now there are a decent number of G2V class stars within 50 Light Years of here.

http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/50lys....

Again if he turns out to not be a crackpot then we would need to get probes out there to look for a place that humans can thrive on. Then, we find a way to establish a colony and start terraforming the heck out of it.

The best route to build Atlantis would be to start over from scratch and simply leave the Looters and Moochers behind.

I expect the gultch to have newer better technology.
We have the intelligence to make it better. Surpassing the government crippled corrupt mess should be a no brainer. Shed the shackles and we will flourish!

They need to develop a special font or something for that. CamelCaps maybe? LOL

That's all I can say - read Rand and you will understand.

Surely you can do better than that.

That was my same thinking. It's really hard to emphasize sarcasm in online media.

Limited - really! You are clearly not an Objectivist.
Just look at the original use of the word here.

I would imagine that an entity created by bureaucrats like the EU would be as bad or worse than CA in regards trying something like that.

No it was the right word, your limited definition of sacrifice is the problem.

"Sacrifice" was the wrong word; does that need explanation here?

Duh. Missed that. Thanks.

Second question: why not build it in EuroDisney? If there was ever a set of nations that needed ideas, it would be the EU... ;)

Yes, but involved acting. Lying.

Disney world is the Florida park, not the California one. Even the disney people realized CA would never allow it. That was one reason they picked up so much extra land for the Florida park. I think Walt Disney's death in 66 put the kibosh on that project.

Uh - they've been sporting that mantra since the 60's when Disneyland was built. Tomorrowland anyone?

Besides - I can't see California ever granting them the resources to try it - either in terms of land or power. Now if they moved next door to Nevada...

Uh, can you give an example of that? The whole point of mass production is to reduce the amount of overhead (a fixed cost) incrementally assigned to each unit by pumping out more units in a given amount of time. If you're going where I think you're going (3D printing), you're not pumping out the units, you're focusing on customization and incurring higher overhead costs in the process.

Why don't we see if we can buy a remote island off the coast of Costa Rica? I think there are a couple there where all we have to do are kill off any remaining genetically re-engineered dinosaurs... ;)

While we certainly don't have Galt's miraculous motor, we do have enough technology to get by with small scale power generation. The real trick will be to disguise ourselves from observation like they did in the gulch. Finally, we'll need our own "destroyer" to seek us producers out and get us to go on strike... If it were real, I'd take my family and leave it all behind in a heartbeat.